From MLK and civil rights movement to BLM and storming of Capitol, Virginia Ali has seen it all

Ben’s Chili Bowl founder Virginia Ali
Ben’s Chili Bowl founder Virginia Ali

Virginia Ali founded the iconic Ben’s Chili Bowl in Washington, DC, along with her husband, Ben, in 1958. 

By Nuzaira Azam

It was a crisp afternoon in early March when we visited Ben’s Chilly Bowl — an immensely popular restaurant on U Street in Washington, DC. I sat down to chat with the founder and owner of this restaurant, Virginia Ali.  A petite lively woman, 87, Virginia still drives and comes to the restaurant every day to meet and greet customers. Ali, with her husband Ben, started Ben’s Chilly Bowl after four weeks of their marriage in 1958. Ben Mahboob Ali came to the United States from Trinidad for studies at Nebraska University but then decided to go to Howard University in Washington.

The restaurant displays living history. President Obama, Dr. Martin Luther King and many other iconic figures from all walks of life have visited the restaurant, which is a Washington treasure. The life-size pictures of these and several stalwart personalities tell many stories.

Ali lamented the decay of U Street, which was once known as the Black Broadway of Washington. There were theatres, restaurants, nightclubs, and many other places for entertainment. Then came a period when the area became infested with drug addicts and crime. After two decades of instability, the development in this area started erecting chain restaurants and high-rise buildings; however, many expressed that “with all development on U Street district, its history is getting lost.”

Her children, with her motherly supervision, manage the restaurant. Her youngest son Nizam Ali, who has a J.D. (Jurisprudence Doctorate), left his job when his father passed away and started working at Ben’s. Vida, wife of her eldest son Sage Ali, is helping the family business. Vida was one of the entertainment industry’s most highly respected publicists in Hollywood for 25 years.

“I have heard that Ben Ali came repeatedly to meet you,” I asked.

She laughed and said that her proper job was at a bank where Ben Ali saw her. She said, “He came three days in a row. I served him as others were busy. He left a note for me to call him.  He was a handsome and confident man, but I did not call him, as in 1957 ladies were not expected to call men. Our bank closing time was 2:00 pm. He called me at 2:45 and introduced himself and said that he was a student at Howard University at the dental school.”

She added: “I knew some professors at the school, mentioned names of few people whom he also knew. Considering it safe, I gave him my number to call me at home. We went to a dinner escorted by one of our mutual friends. He met my family with our mutual friend and they fixed a date and the rest is history.”

Ali concluded the interview with a happy note, “I have been here long enough to witness changes in the society and the communities. I talked with Dr. King and welcomed President Obama when he moved to Washington.  Now, we have a woman of color as our Vice President. The History Chanel is doing a documentary on our establishment. I am very blessed to have great children and loyal customers.”

Here are the excerpts from the interview:

As a young woman, born in Virginia, raised in the US, gets married to a man coming from a foreign country, how did you and your family feel about all this?

My parents were amazing, wonderful people; they raised us as well as anybody else, but not better than anybody else, so we did not have any kind of attitude. We grew up in an atmosphere where the family remained a focal point of life. We worked hard, went to school, church every Sunday, and had dinner with our uncles and aunts, grandparents, every Sunday. My father was also an entrepreneur — he owned three hundred and fifty acres of farmland.

How would you describe your relationship with your parents?

My father was a very calm, soft-spoken person. He never raised his voice — no matter what happened. I was never spanked, or had a threat of a spank. My parents set an example for us; we never heard our parents argue. We enjoyed the extended family system. My uncle’s daughter of my age and I used to spend nights at each other’s home.

What were the activities of young people in college, in those days?

I went to a small Christian school in Richmond. In those days, young men and women would go to a hall in the college dormitory in the presence of the house mother for conversation. We could go out in groups and come back at a certain time. So there were strict rules and parents liked this control.

Virginia Ali
The writer (second from left) with Virginia Ali (second from right)

Back then, there was no concept of girlfriend-boyfriend?

Oh, no, no, no, no. When I was a senior in college and at our prom, I wanted to go with a little fellow, but there was a “no”, no argument nothing else.

Children were also listening to their parents in those days?

My parents made us believe that we are incredibly special and could do whatever we wanted but must be respectful to people. When I married Ben, I was anxious to get into the business and grow into it. Ben was a genius in business and I was more comfortable with people. We established relations with the community as we wanted our business to be community-based and a part of the community.

So, this restaurant was your first baby?

Oh, yes. We got married in 1958, and within few weeks the restaurant was opened. Our first child was born in 1960.

Since you both were living in DC, how was the community response?

In those days, society was very segregated. We found artisans, plumbers, electricians, and cabinet makers within a few blocks in the Afro-American community. They supported us and took care of us, as and when needed. For example, we could call a plumber at three o’clock in the morning for any plumbing needs, and they would come and fix it. So, we were able to start this business. We made it colorful, bright, and very modern. The window was just a big glass to see outside. We would open it at 11:00 AM and close at 3:00 AM on weekdays and at 4:00 or 5:00 AM on Saturdays. I managed the restaurant during the daytime, while Ben took care of our children at home. He would come to the restaurant at night after I was back with the children at home.

You have met Dr. Martin Luther King and saw his famous march. How did this march impact the people, especially the African American community?

Dr. King’s office was few blocks away from our restaurant, and I had met him briefly when he came for lunch here at the restaurant. He planned his march in 1963 and brought two hundred and fifty thousand people.  I remember him telling me that he met with President John Kennedy, and told him that he was going to bring people to protest injustices that were happening to society. President Kennedy said that it was not a good idea to bring so many people, as any incident will set your movement back. Dr. King said he promised the president that there will not be any incident. He delivered his famous speech in front of a mammoth gathering. Ben and I were very motivated. People were happy that we were making progress. In 1964, the legislators passed the Civil Rights bill, and in 1965 saw the acceptance of the voting rights bill.

Voting rights for African American people…

Yes, for everybody, including women. We continued the business until April 1968, when Dr. King was assassinated. Those days were exceedingly difficult. When we heard the news about Dr. King, nobody believed that our calm, nonviolent beloved leader was killed, but that was true. People were crying. It was a sad time and that sadness turned into frustration, the frustration led to anger, and then an uprising began. This neighborhood was destroyed. By God’s grace, we were the only place that was permitted to open during three nights of the curfew.

Your family and restaurant encountered many difficulties, but you survived…

As a result of the riots, the middle class began to move away. Many businesses did not re-open. And then the heroine, crack, cocaine moved in, and the area became a ghetto. This lasted for about 20 years. In 1988, the construction of a Metro subway station started just in front of our restaurant. They dug the entire street sixty-five feet down. Only three businesses survived in the vicinity, an Industrial Bank [brank], a flower shop, and Ben’s Chilly Bowl. Lack of customers due to traffic blockade and absence of businesses was not enough to support or maintain our restaurant. My husband looked for alternatives to support the family, [and] became involved in the stock market. That is another story. Although my husband had suggested closing it for a year, I differed with him kept it going.

How was Washington during the attack on Capitol on January 6, 2021? How was the situation during the George Floyd protests?

When the George Floyd protests started, it was noteworthy to observe that the same injustices we fought back in the sixties were happening now. It was a renewed challenge to the community but this time it was difficult for the people as they did not have a strong leader like Dr. King or others. They did it all on their initiative and thoughts of injustices. Another significant difference was the cooperation of people from all backgrounds, races, religions, and nationalities. They protested peacefully against injustices, what happened to George Floyd, and what is happening in this country. There is a lot of work ahead of us.

What kind of change you observed in the African American community after these protests?

There are so many injustices taken place over the years; we cannot forget the time when women did not have equal rights, equal pay, and voting rights. After my father died, my mother could live her life on the land but she had no right to sell even a small piece of the land.

Why was that? It was her land.

True, but that was the law in the Virginia State at that time. So, you are fighting for women’s rights, human rights, fighting for justice all around, and that is going on still today. No one would not have imagined the insurrection on the nation’s sacred building — the Capitol on 6th January. It was unbelievable in this country.

You talked about women’s rights. Did you see any impact on what Gloria Steinman did for African American and native women?

Yes, she had fought for women and it did positively impact the American women. She worked hard for them [African American and Native women], young women going to college becoming professionals. Sadly, they are still having trouble getting to the top.  However, but it is changing now. Today, we have a woman of color as our Vice President.

(Nuzaira Azam is a journalist based in Northern Virginia. This interview first appeared in The Financial Daily.)

One Comment

  1. Zafar Iqbal

    An informative interview. This article is basically about the founder of the restaurant. I believe the restaurant serves many other things besides chili.

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